This past week I had the pleasure of chatting with Rob Dutton and McKim Ecclestone on their Tuesday evening show SwapTalk on TheGrand@101FM.

You can listen to some extended excerpts of our conversation here.

Topics include: our recent Lake Ontario crossing, the state of the lakes, and our recent whirlwind tour swimming a mile in each of the Great Lakes in one long day.screen-shot-2016-10-01-at-12-47-29-pm.